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Post by bassraptor on Mon Mar 15, 2010 9:45 pm

Guys, I don't know if this has come up before but any of you have experiences with Ayon products, specifically, the CD players? Share please ...

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Post by car o scope on Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:06 pm

Hmmm.. If not mistaken, it is the top loading CD player which a Penang hifi shop used to demo when I was there last time.
They paired it with a second hand Jadis integrated and Sonus faber Toy Tower.
They are beautifully made with black fascia and red display.
To be fair, I dont know how well it goes up against other brands as I could not get the chance to compare it side by side against other CDP though.
But I do feel that the sound has wide sound stage and depth but not extraordinary.
Maybe it is because of the matching.
Or maybe I did not listen long enough. Just my 2sen. Wink

OOT sikit.. I went there with my friend who has no interest and no idea about hifi.
The sales person served us and introduced the Jadis amp.
He demoed fourplay songs and I asked my friend to sit at the sweetspot to enjoy the music while I went to admire the Gryphon Diablo.

The sales person meanwhile stood there silently with his eyes setting steadily on a hifi magazine in his hand.
After two tracks, I went back to the sofa and asked my friend "how is it?"
She answered "How come the sound not balance one? The right speaker got no sound one. Something wrong with the setting?"
Well, embarrassingly, I myself also did not realise that in the first place. hahahaha...
Then, the salesperson overheard us and quickly went over to the Jadis to do the adjustment. Indeed, the setting was wrong.

Gosh.. I thought some failures with one of the components.
Thank god it wasn't. After the adjustment, everything went well.
However, in the end, I did not buy anything there but great to have a brief experience on the Ayon+Jadis+Sf system.
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Post by Landy on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:34 am

Very nice looking CD player. Anybody know the price? Where is it made?
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Post by Landy on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:41 am

Come to think of it, this Ayon CD player would not look out of place as a replacement for a broken Mark Levinson CD transport in a rack housing other ML grear. Hmmm... Just got an idea. Idea

Now the question is, how does it sound???
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Post by azri on Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:46 am

last feb theres one selling for $3.9k
but didnt make it, rrp was $5.6k (au)
this is for the award winning cd-1s

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Full-featured vacuum-tube Top Loader CD-Player
Real Class-A triode vacuum-tube output stage
2x 6H30 triode tubes / Russia
Teflon tube sockets with gold pins
Warm up function – extends tube life time
Upsampling 24bit/192kHz and on/off switchable
Bur Brown D/A Wandler
Modified suspension system to isolate the CD-transport from mechanical vibrations
Magnetic integral CD-clamp system combined with dark acrylic CD-cover
High selected, fine quality passive components used in all applications
Gold industrial PCB
Separate analog output stage for left and right channel
10 separate voltage regulators (power supply)
MOS-FET tube anode-voltage regulation
MKP Z-capacitors
Large noiseless R-core power transformer
AC Phase control indicator
Digital input - S /PDIF (RCA)
Digital output - S/PDIF (RCA)
Fully hand assembled to insure the highest level of craftsmanship
Beautifully crafted high grade aluminium-brushed and anodized chassis
Backlit function buttons
Variable output volume level control (RC)
Display dimmer & mute function
Heavy duty RCA gold-plated output jacks
Absorber aluminium feet with superior damping characteristics
Metal remote commander ( brushed & anodized )
Chassis finish: black
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Post by bassraptor on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:50 am

Ayon has four CD players in its range, - CD-5, CD-2, CD-1s and CD-07 ... the two-box CD-3 has been discontinued. The 5 and 2 have balanced outputs. All use tubes. List prices range from around 8k for entry level to 34k for flagship 5.

Parts are sources from various places, case is made in China, the whole thing is assembled in Austria, where it was conceived and designed.

Yeah, they look cool ... hope to lay my hands on one of them for a review ...

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Post by Landy on Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:18 pm

You do us all a great service. appreciate it and i look forward to your review.
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Post by jimel71 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:23 pm

Hi there,

I'm a proud owner of Ayon CD-2 for few months. I bought it from Penang (nearby to where I stay..usually most hifi things are in KL). I trade in my Denon CD player.

As for the spec, you can look into (www.ayonaudio.com).

First of all, all the things that I looked for in a CD player is in Ayon CD-2 (2 pairs of tubes, top loading. balanced, below RM15K).

I'm not a certified reviewer so I'm not going to say anything mambo jambo..all I can say since the arrival of Ayon, most of my time I spend listening and enjoying my musics. I like to listen to music before, even on the Denon but sometimes with the Denon I felt a bit tired & bored..so I went to watch Astro. But now I have cancelled my Astro subscription just to listen to musics on Ayon. The flow of the music somehow make me want to listen more and more..some sort of addiction. So I hope you can 'feel' my enjoyment with Ayon CD-2. Maybe it sounds like I'm promoting this CD player but I'm sincere of my 'true feeling'.

I don't owe many audiophiles recordings..in fact many of them were locally pressed..still with Ayon CD-2 they sounds good..but if you play Jennifer Warren The Hunter, then that's the real test. You can feel as if Jennifer herself is singing in front of me.

I agreed with the comment above regarding the demo. It didn't impress me much that particular day but I still bought it because I was pretty sure it will be a blast in my system. That's the key actually..your system..whether it's going to fit in and whethet this is the type of player you're looking for. For me, I have found what I'm looking for.

One thing you need to know about this player's weakness. Of couse there are..nothing is perfect. Somehow this CD player cannot play certain CDs..or you need to reboot the CD player for it to read the CD. Only a few but it can get on your nerve sometimes. And it is hot..so needs a lot of space for ventilation..and of course you cannot put anything on it as it is top loading. And it cannot play SACD (for the price some will expect they can play this format).

Well, like your children..they are not perfect but you still love them..same goes to Ayon CD-2.

I hope this will help those who seek the info on THE player.

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Post by azri on Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:17 pm

its frustrating when you buy a cdp & it does not read some of your pb collections. its more frustrating when your expectations is high hence the 5 figures price & yet it disappoint you by not doing its job accordingly. things like this makes it really hard for me to shift to another cdp brand unless its proven to be working as expected. if im you mr jimel, i'll be sending bacn that cdp.. cheers
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Post by jimel71 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:42 pm

Hi there Azri,

Thanks for the advice. Well, for me life is full of joy..I can't expect to grumble each time things are not 'in line' with me..I took that as 'natural defect' that comes with life..like my wife, for example..she's not perfect..but don't expect me to send her back to her parents just yet as she has her own good qualities..and I like her the way she is..those 'defects' define her..so does Ayon CD-2..and I just simply love Ayon to send CD-2 back to the master..I'll live with the so called 'defects' as Ayon makes my life complete in other ways..we complement each other..
Azri. you have your ways..I have mind. Thanks anyway.

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Post by azri on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:28 pm

even a nice, decent dvd player dont have that kind of problem. just stuff in any cd, mp3, dvd, whatever format it can read & just within a few second its doing what it suppose to do in the 1st place which is READ.. no problem.. im not against ayon, but i dont understand such expensive cdp can have defects! its like buying proton, you're paying to blend with the defects it comes with for free & for the rest of your life..!!
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Post by jimel71 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Hi there again,

I guess you're someone who doesn't give up easily. I handed down to you for your arguement. I leave it to the readers to judge it. It is an open market. I just tell the truth about something so that other will know and decide for themselves. Maybe my unit is faulty..maybe others will perform perfectly..maybe that..maybe this..maybe I'm just the guy who see the bright side of every single thing..'tepuk dada, tanya selera'.

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Post by car o scope on Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:56 pm

bassraptor wrote:Ayon has four CD players in its range, - CD-5, CD-2, CD-1s and CD-07 ... the two-box CD-3 has been discontinued. The 5 and 2 have balanced outputs. All use tubes. List prices range from around 8k for entry level to 34k for flagship 5.

Parts are sources from various places, case is made in China, the whole thing is assembled in Austria, where it was conceived and designed.

Yeah, they look cool ... hope to lay my hands on one of them for a review ...

I guess the one that I listened to was the basic model.
Anyway, I hope you can get your hands on one of them.
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Post by llsaw on Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:21 am

The Ayon Audio CDP has been receiving excellent reviews from hi-fi press including Dagogo and 6moons. Incidently the hi-fi shop in Penang selling the Ayon is in Midlands Pulau Tikus right?

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Post by jimel71 on Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Yes, HiFi Choice in Midlands Pulau Tikus. The guy in charge name Tony.

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Post by llsaw on Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:00 pm

jimel71 wrote:Yes, HiFi Choice in Midlands Pulau Tikus. The guy in charge name Tony.

Great! Tony's my friend Ayon CD players feedback Icon_biggrin

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Post by bassraptor on Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:50 pm

Ok, update: I took delivery of the Ayon CD-07 this morning, it came 30 mins before I was leaving for work. Here are first impressions:

Looks - awesome
Sound - scary ... bold ... dynamic.

It was love at first sound.


More later ...

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Post by llsaw on Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:18 pm

bassraptor wrote:Ok, update: I took delivery of the Ayon CD-07 this morning, it came 30 mins before I was leaving for work. Here are first impressions:

Looks - awesome
Sound - scary ... bold ... dynamic.

It was love at first sound.


More later ...

How much is the CD07?

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Post by bassraptor on Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:53 pm

RM12,000+ list ... retail, RM8,000+ ...

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Post by llsaw on Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:16 pm

bassraptor wrote:RM12,000+ list ... retail, RM8,000+ ...

Thanks. Would you consider this an upgrade over a Rega Saturn?

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Post by jimel71 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:20 pm

Good to know someone out there share my 'feeling'. Welcome to the club.

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Post by bassraptor on Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:54 pm

llsaw: That will take time to determine, in terms of the sound. As for features, it's streets ahead of the Saturn.

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Post by llsaw on Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:42 pm

bassraptor wrote:llsaw: That will take time to determine, in terms of the sound. As for features, it's streets ahead of the Saturn.

OK. Keep me posted as I'm searching for a decent successor to the Saturn without busting the bank too much. Thanks and looking forward to your review.

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Post by bassraptor on Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:02 pm

You have a Saturn? Are you in the Klang Valley?

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Post by llsaw on Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:21 pm

bassraptor wrote:You have a Saturn? Are you in the Klang Valley?

Yes I do. I'm in Penang unfortunately. Am Khai's friend..

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Post by bassraptor on Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:04 pm

Why not take your Saturn to wherever they're demo-in the Ayon there and do an A/B. The units just came in this week.

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Post by llsaw on Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:58 pm

bassraptor wrote:Why not take your Saturn to wherever they're demo-in the Ayon there and do an A/B. The units just came in this week.

Yes, thinking of that. Bought my Saturn from the same place too..

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Post by Landy on Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:02 pm

Does it sound anything like a Krell or mark Levinson or Ayre or Simaudio Moon? Or does it have it's own unique character?
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Post by bassraptor on Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:15 am

i described a bit of the sound of the ayon 07 above but i think it's a departure from the company''s traditional "warm" and "mellow" sound. can't say much about the other brands. i almost bought an Ayre once but passed it up when i heard the Bluenote. Smile

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Post by llsaw on Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:34 am

bassraptor wrote:i described a bit of the sound of the ayon 07 above but i think it's a departure from the company''s traditional "warm" and "mellow" sound. can't say much about the other brands. i almost bought an Ayre once but passed it up when i heard the Bluenote. Smile

This one? Ayon CD players feedback Icon_smile Looks cool!
Ayon CD players feedback Stibbert_l

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Post by kkthen on Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:38 am

llsaw wrote:
bassraptor wrote:Why not take your Saturn to wherever they're demo-in the Ayon there and do an A/B. The units just came in this week.

Yes, thinking of that. Bought my Saturn from the same place too..

Great. This is good chance to let us know Ayon CD7 & Rega Saturn. What is different & which one is better in this price range. Ayon CD players feedback Icon_biggrin

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Post by llsaw on Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:59 am

kkthen wrote:
llsaw wrote:
bassraptor wrote:Why not take your Saturn to wherever they're demo-in the Ayon there and do an A/B. The units just came in this week.

Yes, thinking of that. Bought my Saturn from the same place too..

Great. This is good chance to let us know Ayon CD7 & Rega Saturn. What is different & which one is better in this price range. Ayon CD players feedback Icon_biggrin

Pls be very patient. Might take years as one does not upgrade to a big bucks (to me) cd player every other day Ayon CD players feedback Icon_biggrin

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Post by bassraptor on Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:06 pm

llsaw: Yeah, that's the one. Pity they never marketed it properly in Malaysia. It has some operational quirks but the sound is something else.

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Post by llsaw on Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:29 pm

bassraptor wrote:llsaw: Yeah, that's the one. Pity they never marketed it properly in Malaysia. It has some operational quirks but the sound is something else.

Its (the Stibbert) a great cd player IMHO.

I've arranged for a home audition of the Ayon CD07 sometime next week. Stay tuned..

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Post by car o scope on Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:03 pm

bassraptor wrote:llsaw: Yeah, that's the one. Pity they never marketed it properly in Malaysia. It has some operational quirks but the sound is something else.

Bassraptor,

Can shed some light on the mentioned operational quirks?
I saw one of these beautiful Stibberts at Adrian's.
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Post by bassraptor on Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:14 pm

It's a DVD driver functioning as a CD drive, so maybe that's when. Takes more time to load than a CD player. Open the drawer, slip in disc, close drawer and it begins playing immediately, unlike CD players. Takes a bit more time to respond to some commands than CD players .... doesn't help that it uses what looks like a Sony remote ... need to read the manual carefully to find the right buttons ... it will play some DVD-Audio discs!

And yet, I have yet to find a worthwhile upgrade.

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Post by car o scope on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:49 pm

Much more slower compared to a cdp like errr.. say a Rega Apollo?
Is it because of the mechanism is that slow or the player itself has some sort of data correction while reading the CD?

I have an old Denon and it can load quite fast. And reliable too.
But of course the sound quality cannot match the Stibbert lah.. hahahaha.. Razz
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Post by bassraptor on Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:21 pm

I think around the time of the Apollo. Maybe error correction, maybe that's how the operating software is designed. The Ayon CD player reads the CD is a flash, too ...

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Post by car o scope on Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:58 pm

Like that still ok mar...
Not that long lar.. Boleh tahan lar..
The important thing is that it is reliable, durable and will not hang. Cool
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Post by bassraptor on Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:36 pm

saw: you want to be put in touch directly with the Ayon distributor? I know him , can pass you his contact. price could be better ... Ayon CD players feedback Icon_smile

car: yeah, the stibbert seems quite durable. plus, adrian says any issues with the drive in long term, easy to replace since it's dvd.

i'm liking the ayon more and more!!!

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Post by Landy on Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:07 pm

Many more fish in the ocean Raptor. Have you considered this one?

Ayon CD players feedback D10_fr10

It's the T+A Elektroakustik D10 mkll cd/sacd player.

Sorry I could not find a bigger picture but click on the Audiogon ad below for a bigger picture.

I just love that CD lid lifter lever ala record player. This thing looks like it came out of the design studios of Porsche design. It's german afterall.

Here's one for sale at Audiogon. The shop is at Adelphi. US$5950 Negotiable. I was there last weekend.

See the ad here: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlconv&1273216057
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Post by bassraptor on Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:28 pm

Trouble is, Landy, I hate fish ... Ayon CD players feedback Icon_biggrin

The Ayon is retailing new here around Rm8k ... from the number players I've heard in recent couple of years, nothing touches this one on value!

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Post by llsaw on Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:37 am

bassraptor wrote:saw: you want to be put in touch directly with the Ayon distributor? I know him , can pass you his contact. price could be better ... Ayon CD players feedback Icon_smile

car: yeah, the stibbert seems quite durable. plus, adrian says any issues with the drive in long term, easy to replace since it's dvd.

i'm liking the ayon more and more!!!

Thanks for the offer Sir. That will definitely come in handy. Tony quoted me ~10K but I've yet to start the bargaining process. I'm waiting for his CD07 to run in before commencing home trial.

After > 6 months of listening I find the Saturn while a smacking CD player for its price still occasionally exhibits the hard edge digital artefact. BTW, is Adrian still selling the Stibbert? I might get Andre to arrange for a demo.

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Post by llsaw on Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:40 am

car o scope wrote:Like that still ok mar...
Not that long lar.. Boleh tahan lar..
The important thing is that it is reliable, durable and will not hang. Cool

Hang ok wat? My Saturn will throw this hissy fit once in a while and quick on/off action on the power button resolves the fit. No need to placade like gf/wife/kid Ayon CD players feedback Icon_lol

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Post by car o scope on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:01 am

Even Rega Saturn also having this gremlin?? Shocked

Hahahahahaha... yup.. just push the button will do and the "hang" problem will be solved at least for that moment.

Problem is.. I get used to the durability of a Denon CDP and never get the "hang" problem in 10years. Very Happy
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Post by llsaw on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:08 am

car o scope wrote:Even Rega Saturn also having this gremlin?? Shocked

Hahahahahaha... yup.. just push the button will do and the "hang" problem will be solved at least for that moment.

Problem is.. I get used to the durability of a Denon CDP and never get the "hang" problem in 10years. Very Happy

Yap. Ayon CD players feedback Icon_lol

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Post by car o scope on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:16 am

I see...

Well, I guess it is in the DNA then. Razz
I thought only Apollo is like that. hahahaha..

Hmm... Now that some of you keep mentioning the Ayon, I am also quite curious about it.
I must go for another round of "ear washing" session when I go north next time.
The first time was not good enough. Cool
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Post by llsaw on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:20 am

car o scope wrote:I see...

Well, I guess it is in the DNA then. Razz
I thought only Apollo is like that. hahahaha..

Hmm... Now that some of you keep mentioning the Ayon, I am also quite curious about it.
I must go for another round of "ear washing" session when I go north next time.
The first time was not good enough. Cool

I heard the mega expensive Naim CD555 also does this Ayon CD players feedback Icon_lol

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Post by bassraptor on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:32 am

llsaw: actually, adrian was never distributor for the stibbert, he was just helping someone sell the units, i think only two sold. one i got!

check your pm for the contact.

car: as software gets more sophisticated, those hangs and "reboots" are inevitable. somehow, japanese are better at organising their electronics, this it seems.

sometimes, with these newer players, when you inadvertently execute multiple commands, they queue up and sometimes take a while to get through. A simple matter of powering off and on gets things going again. Nobody loses anything.


a survey some time ago showed that the electronics in japanese cars were more stable and less prone to failure than even german cars like bmw or merc! it didn't make the jap cars better, just more reliable.

But got for an ayon session again ... make sure player has been run in ...

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Post by car o scope on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:43 am

It is just that I did not get used to these "hang" issues and have to reboot CDP halfway through listening sessions for so many years.
I have to admit that I was quite shocked when the 1st time happened.
This was the situation after I changed from the Denon to the Rega.

But still, I hardly reboot the Apollo. When it "hangs", I will press the STOP button.
Hoping that it will stop on its own.
I will wait for err.. say 1-2 mins and it will automatically stop and back to normal again.
It works for me every time (so far so good lar.. Razz).

How I wish the Apollo will not get those "hangs" like Japanese CDP.. Smile
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