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Looking for Zam42
Anyone know this person "Zam42" or dealt with him before? Calls/sms/pm to him went unanswered. He claimed to be from Kuantan. If you know him or can contact him please pm me - urgent. Thanks very much
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what's happen bro...can share with us?
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Have you bought the EAR 834P and Benz cartridge from him, and this thread pops up because of this?
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ryder wrote:Have you bought the EAR 834P and Benz cartridge from him, and this thread pops up because of this?
I try to buy the EAR from him but not pleasant. He only looking at who bank in the money first but I do not like this way as what if two person bank in the same time? is there any refund and its too good to be truth that you pay two third and one third pay after you recieved the goods. any how I feel glad I am not the one who bank in money first. better safe than sorry.
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dont do that, its not safe..
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Yoyo....
The seller may have his reason and at times i do not fault them all together.
I got "stood up" from a buyer as well, promised to drop in ( with appointment ) to test/purchase, as such I too declined other buyers ( one other ) as well.
To confirm, I called the first buyer before declining the second buyer.
To date no news from the earlier buyer and i lost out on the second buyer as well.
cheers
The seller may have his reason and at times i do not fault them all together.
I got "stood up" from a buyer as well, promised to drop in ( with appointment ) to test/purchase, as such I too declined other buyers ( one other ) as well.
To confirm, I called the first buyer before declining the second buyer.
To date no news from the earlier buyer and i lost out on the second buyer as well.
cheers
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There are alway a certain risk of buying stuff from the internet.
Willing buyer willing seller. So if you are not comfortable with the term and condition than not buy it.
Willing buyer willing seller. So if you are not comfortable with the term and condition than not buy it.
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A conman by the name, Chris Corner, email is cc25corner@gmail.com, from UK responded to one of my ads and offered me his Ittok arm for just GBP180 which is too cheap to believe. Upon request, he email me some of the pictures which I found out that is taken from one of the ebayer listing in UK. Guys, so be more aleart when deal on net.
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these guys are everywhere. If the deal is too good to be true, beware. No free lunches ard...
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Agreed. If it's too good to be true it probably is!
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Yup I got the PM from him too responded to my WTB thread. He even pretend to ask me if I got some Linn stuff to trade in.
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Hahaha....he offer everything for 180Euro...I pretend layan him just to have fun...
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Everywhere got conmanlahhhhhh.....just need to be cautious... hold on tight to the $$$$.
Buy from reliable / genuine sellers
cheers
Buy from reliable / genuine sellers
cheers
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Bros....thanks for sharing. That was very responsible of you guys. Cheers .
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Aaron, thanks for the tubes. they're still running nicely on my bro's power amp
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You are welcome, Drife. Glad to hear.Copland project tak jadi lah. had it for 2 months and sold it because my speakers makan minyak lah. Nice to hear from you again Keep in touch.
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drife i think u need a 97db klipsch speakers lol. gerenti american sound n tak makan minyak haha
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On the way bro. Should be here next week but too bad I'm going back kampung so only the other week can test. It's tube mah so sure got tube factor but whether my ears will like it or not it's a different story dy haha.
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ok bro. when the thing touch down lemme know. curious too. hopefully the supplier not conman.... hahahah
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Talking about conman, i also got enquiries from UK wanted to buy my stuff. First give me low offer later raise up higher than my listed price. But have to send to his son/friend in Nigeria. Somemore got Bank letter from Colony Bank asking me to ship item via DHL. Have to let them know tracking number before the bank transfer the money to my account......What a Bull! No money No delivery......Watch out for Nigeria, it is rank 3rd most income to the nation via fraud..
I believe the above scam from Nigeria also....i am no surprise....Thanks for info...new tactic now...
I believe the above scam from Nigeria also....i am no surprise....Thanks for info...new tactic now...
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Con man in mudah & hifi4sale
Dear All
Pls be careful if you were to make deal with this seller who goes by few nicks 'vinyl', 'jam' and 'matzam' in mudah & hifi4sale. Bought cable from him & havent receive the item until now, he didn't reply sms & answer my call right after i've bank in the money. His maybank account is 151043805052 AMAR BIN YAAKOB, his h/p is 017-2743431.
Pls be careful if you were to make deal with this seller who goes by few nicks 'vinyl', 'jam' and 'matzam' in mudah & hifi4sale. Bought cable from him & havent receive the item until now, he didn't reply sms & answer my call right after i've bank in the money. His maybank account is 151043805052 AMAR BIN YAAKOB, his h/p is 017-2743431.
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if not mistaken, this AMAR guy is selling fake cables as well. Is he from Johor?
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yup, he's from johor
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what cabel did you bought & what was the price?
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previously he was very active in mudah 2 yrs ago, then laid low after many people complain. Seems he is practicing his old tricks again. He sometimes advertise selling lps also. Most times, his cables esp power cords, would have the plugs changed & w/o packaging; careful of his NBS cables......beware of this con. Nowadays alot of cons surfacing in forums advertising audio, cameras,pc....Always remember: If it is too good to be true, it definitely is too good to be true.....
care to pm me what u paid for?
care to pm me what u paid for?
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here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
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azri wrote:here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
bro azri...kalau betul simpan jelah rotel tu...hehehhehhehe
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wireworld polaris spk cbl, it looks fancy like a phytoon
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Do you guys think we have fake cable seller here, cos sometimes when I look at the photo that shown seems quite suspicious
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azri wrote:here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
was call this number but no body answer me that time, so i'm lucky i guest
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Judge for yourselves who 'matzam' really is:
Just 3 of B52's posts:
Cyrus II: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/cyrus-ii-mk-iii-nad-3020a-intergrated-amp-used-t9095.htm
Lovan Trisolator: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/lovan-trisolator-vibration-isolation-platform-nos-sold-t8959.htm#28672
Various LPs: http://www.hifi4sale.net/music-video-cds-dvds-lps-blu-ray-etc-f8/various-jazz-folk-classical-pop-rock-lps-for-sale-sold-t8749.htm
Matzam was banned after doing 4 posts and all were removed earlier because he/she was suspected to be very similar to B52's posts. Here, we have retrieved 2 of them from the Basket and placed them back in their respective categories, locked for reference:
Technics SL-1200 MkII: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/technics-sl1200-mkii-turntable-used-t9411.htm
Various LPs: http://www.hifi4sale.net/music-video-cds-dvds-lps-blu-ray-etc-f8/lps-package-for-sale-used-t9555.htm
The common theme is the blue carpet and similar lighting for all pictures in the 3 posts from B52 & 2 posts by matzam.
Look at B52's picture of the Cyrus II; focusing on the top-left, you will notice a cream-coloured power distribution bar. This same item is evident in the extreme top-left of the picture of matzam's Technics SL-1200 MkII turntable.
Furthermore, in the same Technics SL-1200 MkII post, matzam is offering to bundle-in the Lovan Trisolator for a total sum of RM1,300. Evidently, this same Lovan Trisolator is being sold by B52 in a separate post.
Next, both B52 & matzam are selling some used LPs. In both their posts, you will see 2 similarities:
1. The colour of the carpet (blue) & the same lighting conditions.
2. The bright yellow cover of the 'We Want Miles' LP.
At the WHITE letter 't' from the word 'Want', there is a slight mark at the bottom, which is found on both matzam's and B52's pictures. Hence, same carpet, same LPs = same location & same person?
Again, you be the judge.
Just 3 of B52's posts:
Cyrus II: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/cyrus-ii-mk-iii-nad-3020a-intergrated-amp-used-t9095.htm
Lovan Trisolator: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/lovan-trisolator-vibration-isolation-platform-nos-sold-t8959.htm#28672
Various LPs: http://www.hifi4sale.net/music-video-cds-dvds-lps-blu-ray-etc-f8/various-jazz-folk-classical-pop-rock-lps-for-sale-sold-t8749.htm
Matzam was banned after doing 4 posts and all were removed earlier because he/she was suspected to be very similar to B52's posts. Here, we have retrieved 2 of them from the Basket and placed them back in their respective categories, locked for reference:
Technics SL-1200 MkII: http://www.hifi4sale.net/audio-video-equipment-for-sale-f1/technics-sl1200-mkii-turntable-used-t9411.htm
Various LPs: http://www.hifi4sale.net/music-video-cds-dvds-lps-blu-ray-etc-f8/lps-package-for-sale-used-t9555.htm
The common theme is the blue carpet and similar lighting for all pictures in the 3 posts from B52 & 2 posts by matzam.
Look at B52's picture of the Cyrus II; focusing on the top-left, you will notice a cream-coloured power distribution bar. This same item is evident in the extreme top-left of the picture of matzam's Technics SL-1200 MkII turntable.
Furthermore, in the same Technics SL-1200 MkII post, matzam is offering to bundle-in the Lovan Trisolator for a total sum of RM1,300. Evidently, this same Lovan Trisolator is being sold by B52 in a separate post.
Next, both B52 & matzam are selling some used LPs. In both their posts, you will see 2 similarities:
1. The colour of the carpet (blue) & the same lighting conditions.
2. The bright yellow cover of the 'We Want Miles' LP.
At the WHITE letter 't' from the word 'Want', there is a slight mark at the bottom, which is found on both matzam's and B52's pictures. Hence, same carpet, same LPs = same location & same person?
Again, you be the judge.
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Good sleuthing work Mr Moderator... similarly, I've seen a few stuff for sale in mudah.com.my which were 'hijacked' from other sites. For instance some amps from Dong Fong which I confirmed with Ken Sin were sold off yonks ago but still advertised (same stuff and pics from dongfong blogspot) quite recently from someone from Melaka with the price marked-up Maybe in line with the rising price of gold, silver and metals in the cabling and circuit boards (and the solder)
Buyers beware..
Buyers beware..
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One more piece of evidence ..... the Cyrus amp is behind the Technics turntable!
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azri wrote:here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
Funny.
One has to take into consideration not all people in this world are good guys. I will never transfer money into stranger's bank accounts or accept cheques in a transaction unless you are absolutely sure the person is not a fraud. Even that, buying used gears are always a risk as the particular piece of equipment may be modified or tampered with, and the problem is when the fault is found out later after several weeks or months of purchase. The seller will usually ignore the buyer as he won't be liable anymore after the transaction had taken place.
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fizi wrote:azri wrote:here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
bro azri...kalau betul simpan jelah rotel tu...hehehhehhehe
bro, kalo betul rotel bole jual timbang kilo!! kantoi beb rotel aku besi buruk hehe
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gloraglory wrote:azri wrote:here's one :
http://www.mudah.my/Mark+levinson+ML23-6322287.htm?last=1
aku nk tapau sepuluh!!
was call this number but no body answer me that time, so i'm lucky i guest
faizal, dont get conned for the second time!! hehe nangissss
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Thanks for highlighting the crook
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Been dealing with valhala (same person by the name B52), althought he did send me the items but condition was not like in the advertisement. As a conclusion: this man cannot be trusted.
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Hi, watch out for this bastard "B52" he sold me a pair of fake interconnect early this year. I m going to dig out all electronic record info that i had on him and share with all user here. FYI, he is a malay guy, claim to be from Johor & account no. claim to be under the wife name.. Maybe we can put in a polis report all together..
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I think you should make a police report if you have been cheated.
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Siva, notice their trend? They only sell certain inhouse brands which can be purchase on ebay. The shipment comes from Hong Hong. I visit Hong Kong frequently and these items can be seen along Sham Shui Po area. At a small fraction of the original price, I guess greed got the better of them to make a fast buck. It is good that fellow members exposed a few culprits and hopefully this will discourage them.
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Wider choice no doubt, but not much cheaper than here unless you are buying MIC.
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Scammers on the Prowl.
Hi All...
Wanted to share my experience.
Got an SMS ( +919130772477 ) from a would be buyer, a person who goes by the name of " Mrs Norsiah @ Ahpieahmad". Requesting for pricing and condition of item being sold.
The sender requested we deal via email - ahpieahmad@yahoo.com.
The telephone number and the SMS (does not indicate the item ) aroused my suspision. To probe further, I sent an email detailing the condition of item and pricing.
The response was something along the following lines from the would be purchaser :
" I am currently working out of UK and would want to purchase the item for my spouse who is in Nigeria".
Wow , that confirms this is a confirmed "CON-MAN" on the PROWL".
My reply was "CASH DEALING" and no reply after that.....
A few things to watch out :
1. Telephone Number
2. SMS content
3. They would give a lame excuse to get you to BANK in an initial amount,
example : to setup an account in their home country or Bus Ride to town or any other excuse. Do not for an instance bank in any "monies" into the bank account for any CON-MAN.
4. And the most important " DO NOT GIVE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS".
Do keep a separate account for your WEB transactions only.
cheers
Wanted to share my experience.
Got an SMS ( +919130772477 ) from a would be buyer, a person who goes by the name of " Mrs Norsiah @ Ahpieahmad". Requesting for pricing and condition of item being sold.
The sender requested we deal via email - ahpieahmad@yahoo.com.
The telephone number and the SMS (does not indicate the item ) aroused my suspision. To probe further, I sent an email detailing the condition of item and pricing.
The response was something along the following lines from the would be purchaser :
" I am currently working out of UK and would want to purchase the item for my spouse who is in Nigeria".
Wow , that confirms this is a confirmed "CON-MAN" on the PROWL".
My reply was "CASH DEALING" and no reply after that.....
A few things to watch out :
1. Telephone Number
2. SMS content
3. They would give a lame excuse to get you to BANK in an initial amount,
example : to setup an account in their home country or Bus Ride to town or any other excuse. Do not for an instance bank in any "monies" into the bank account for any CON-MAN.
4. And the most important " DO NOT GIVE YOUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS".
Do keep a separate account for your WEB transactions only.
cheers
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Cheaters at "mudah.my" Be aware!!!!!!!!
Dear friends,
I have been cheated by a guy nickname "emm". He sell hifi at affordable price. In "Mudah" he advertised under Perlis region, but when talk through phone he said he is staying in Langkawi. From the way he speaks, surely not a malay guy. But he said that he is malay. But his account # is using a malay name ( I will revealed the details latter).
He said he can courier the item by DHL. No extra charges for the courier. After money is received, he said he has sent the item thru DHL by messaging the tracking no. But after checking online via internet and calling the DHL office, the number is not in the system. After that I was unable to contact him anymore and the ad also been deleted. What the hell . However I manage to save the image in my laptop (will show latter), but sadly I loose more than RM1k.
I admit that I was too excited to buy the item due to low price and the very good reviews of the item and the difficulties to audition it at the first place, So be aware folks, lesson learn.
The ad images:
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The details:
1. Account # : 162647056057 (Maybank)
2. Account owner name: Muhammad Fathur Rahman Che Mohd Nasir
3. Contact # ; 017-3783968.
I have been cheated by a guy nickname "emm". He sell hifi at affordable price. In "Mudah" he advertised under Perlis region, but when talk through phone he said he is staying in Langkawi. From the way he speaks, surely not a malay guy. But he said that he is malay. But his account # is using a malay name ( I will revealed the details latter).
He said he can courier the item by DHL. No extra charges for the courier. After money is received, he said he has sent the item thru DHL by messaging the tracking no. But after checking online via internet and calling the DHL office, the number is not in the system. After that I was unable to contact him anymore and the ad also been deleted. What the hell . However I manage to save the image in my laptop (will show latter), but sadly I loose more than RM1k.
I admit that I was too excited to buy the item due to low price and the very good reviews of the item and the difficulties to audition it at the first place, So be aware folks, lesson learn.
The ad images:
[img][/img]
The details:
1. Account # : 162647056057 (Maybank)
2. Account owner name: Muhammad Fathur Rahman Che Mohd Nasir
3. Contact # ; 017-3783968.
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Re: Known or Suspected Fraudsters/Con-Artists in the Hi-Fi Marketplace - Please Report Here
there is few scam at mudah.my even my gmail account is hacked by them...now im not able to use gmail already....plz check carefully when dealing through internet....
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Re: Known or Suspected Fraudsters/Con-Artists in the Hi-Fi Marketplace - Please Report Here
Salam Fizi!...lots of scammer in this wild world. This is a lesson.
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