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Post by tubejunkie Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:02 pm

Hi guys, i understand that most horn speaker is design for low wattage tube amplifier. Hope to get a chance to hear these speaker.

What's the pros and cons campare to conventional speaker ?

Any brands recomendation for below 3k.

Thx.. Why horn speakers? Icon_biggrin

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Post by uncle_vic Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:28 am

This question asked many times over in 1 forum or another! Google & find many...... eg........

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-73546.html


But you may rather meet up and talk horny tales and get a 1st hand listening experiences.........If interested I can even bring u to go listen to a lady audiophile using a not so horny Klipsch speakers. She uses really not so ordinary stuffs la.....300b parallel SET!!!! If this is't enuf, got power conditioning some more and room treatments!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_cool
You go with me, I'm sure she won't at u up!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

Thought there are many horny speakers in the Klang valley......but maybe some keeping a really low profile............ Why horn speakers? Icon_biggrin

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Post by sph Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:42 am

Go to
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Post by mugenfoo Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:17 am

tubejunkie wrote:Hi guys, i understand that most horn speaker is design for low wattage tube amplifier. Hope to get a chance to hear these speaker.

What's the pros and cons campare to conventional speaker ?

Any brands recomendation for below 3k.

Thx.. Why horn speakers? Icon_biggrin

horns have very high efficiency. But their dispersion/radiation pattern & distortion figures are inferior compared to line (ESLs, Planar, ribbons, etc) or concentric radial (aka normal dome tweeters) designs.

As with everything in hifi ... its always a compromise and up to the designer to choose what kind of technology to use in their designs, and the consumer to choose which technology to buy and put in their homes.
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Post by chamts1 Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Hi mugenfoo,
What i gather so far is: there is to this date 3 main types of speaker design : 1)concentric radial 2) line 3) horn ?
Mind sharing more about the line & horn ? I recently was given nice treat by 2 friends to sessions with ESL (quad 57 & 63pro), must say it is what I gauge as the best so far in my experience in terms of transparency, detail, life like. Question:- how is the sound of Planar & Ribbon ? Also, how is horn compared say ESL ? Many brand of horn speakers too ? Sorry if too general, will take some time to surf too, if info from true experience will be much appreciated.
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Post by tubejunkie Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:59 pm

uncle_vic wrote:This question asked many times over in 1 forum or another! Google & find many...... eg........

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-73546.html


But you may rather meet up and talk horny tales and get a 1st hand listening experiences.........If interested I can even bring u to go listen to a lady audiophile using a not so horny Klipsch speakers. She uses really not so ordinary stuffs la.....300b parallel SET!!!! If this is't enuf, got power conditioning some more and room treatments!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_cool
You go with me, I'm sure she won't at u up!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

Thought there are many horny speakers in the Klang valley......but maybe some keeping a really low profile............ Why horn speakers? Icon_biggrin


Hi Uncle Vic, wow Why horn speakers? Icon_surprised ...good ! Please PM me the location and your contact. Hmm.. time wise..preferably on weekdays afternoon. Hear from you soon..

rdgs,
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Post by mugenfoo Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:44 pm

chamts1 wrote:Hi mugenfoo,
What i gather so far is: there is to this date 3 main types of speaker design : 1)concentric radial 2) line 3) horn ?
Mind sharing more about the line & horn ? I recently was given nice treat by 2 friends to sessions with ESL (quad 57 & 63pro), must say it is what I gauge as the best so far in my experience in terms of transparency, detail, life like. Question:- how is the sound of Planar & Ribbon ? Also, how is horn compared say ESL ? Many brand of horn speakers too ? Sorry if too general, will take some time to surf too, if info from true experience will be much appreciated.
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Horns: those P.A. loud hailers at election rallies.

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Electrostatics: Quad ESL XXX (damn good lullaby machines.. yawn! ), Martin-Logan.


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Post by uncle_vic Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:45 am

Hi tubejunkie, uare fast man!!! Hah, hah, hah!!!! You were excited because of the klipsch speakers or the fact that it's a lady audiophile u will be meeting?!! Kekekeee!!!!

OK, let's take our little rendezous off list........u can pm me la...
so as not to take up too much bandwidth..........

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Post by tubejunkie Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:51 pm

uncle_vic wrote:Hi tubejunkie, uare fast man!!! Hah, hah, hah!!!! You were excited because of the klipsch speakers or the fact that it's a lady audiophile u will be meeting?!! Kekekeee!!!!

OK, let's take our little rendezous off list........u can pm me la...
so as not to take up too much bandwidth..........

haha..pls dun let my imagination run wild..hahaha Why horn speakers? Icon_lol but seriously I am kind of looking into horn speaker to pair with my system.. or some easy to drive speaker..will PM you..

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Post by azri Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:20 pm

isnt horn speakers are expensive to buy?
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Post by mugenfoo Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:53 pm

azri wrote:isnt horn speakers are expensive to buy?

There are cheap horn type speakers, and there are expensive horn type speakers.

There are cheap dome type speakers, and there are expensive dome type speakers.

There are cheap planar type speakers, and there are expensive planar type speakers.

There are (not so) cheap electrostatic type speakers, and there are expensive electrostatic type speakers.


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Post by car o scope Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:29 am

It is like attending an English class... hahahahahahhahaha.... Why horn speakers? Icon_razz
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Post by wabun Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:40 am

can come Ipoh visit Dong Fong to listen horn speaker..the Avantgarde
http://dongfongaudio.blogspot.com/

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Post by car o scope Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:28 pm

If not mistaken, Audio Note Malaysia at Mont Kiara also carrying Avantgarde speakers.
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Post by azri Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:08 am

there are also cheap hookers, vice versa Why horn speakers? Icon_twisted


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Post by solokharimau Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:51 pm

Hi. I agree you should seriouly consider horn speakers because even in low powered amp , they allow music to flow and breath easily,but make sure they are well designed.Unfortunately the good ones may be rather expensive. After you are done with the speakers,you can consider tweaking the audio note amp such as changing the coupling capacitor to AN silver cap,changing the driver tube to the rather inexpensive NOS clear top Shuguang 6n8p= 6sn7.it is a good sounding tube for vocal ,good isolation foots,Herbie's Hal O damper for the driver tubes etc These are some of the stages I have gone thru to achieve musical nirvana

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Post by wabun Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:47 pm

hi solokharimau..would interested to know the level of musical nirvana. are you from Ipoh as well ? can pay you a visit ?

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Post by uncle_vic Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:29 am

Hi Solokharimau,


I too like to meet up with people who has attained 'hifi nirvana'!!! It's a rarity!!!!! I would certainly like to listen to your setup if I could.

If can please pm me how u could reached. thxs in advance.

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Post by mugenfoo Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:36 am

Could "audio nirvana" be a measurement of how deep is one's pocket ?
Why horn speakers? Lol
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Post by solokharimau Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:36 am

Yes mugenfoo! you are quite right.To me it is also a state of mind and it depend on YOUR level of contentment and your earnesty in pursuing it.Certainly related to your musical taste,knowledge,willingness to try to match and tweak,time spent on the hobby ,finances etc.Hi Wabun and vic,thanks for the enthusiasm,I will pm you when I am ready to invite you over. Cheers and journey on!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

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Post by uncle_vic Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:54 am

Hi Mugen foo,


It's more like how deep is one's thoughts! Some deep thoughts require plenty of molah to satisfy. Some deep thoughts could be accomplished by great minds. And some somewhere in between. Where is yours? Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

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Post by uncle_vic Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:56 am

Hi Solokharimau, Yes it would be nice to meet up over a cuppa and talk hifi and expand our minds & thoughts in the furtherances of hifi pursuits and maybe occasionally gets aesthetic over our ambitions! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol


Btw I'm Kay El mari! Why horn speakers? Icon_biggrin

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Post by mugenfoo Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:15 am

uncle_vic wrote:Hi Mugen foo,


It's more like how deep is one's thoughts! Some deep thoughts require plenty of molah to satisfy. Some deep thoughts could be accomplished by great minds. And some somewhere in between. Where is yours? Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

Ahhh.. but i should also add on .. for those who either do not have the "deep pockets" or have it, but are "unwilling" to splurge .... this all can also be more than compensated with "imagination, knowledge & experience". Well and fine.

But the issue of moolah cannot be ignored. Which brings tho the philosophical second point:


To know, experience & acknowledge "Audio Nirvana" is open to anyone with an open mind ( all sour-grapes type of people excluded of course).

But here's the punchline .... to OWN "audio Nirvana" .... now that's gonna cost you a pretty penny. (again, all sour-grapes and self-deceiving individuals excluded of course).
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Post by mugenfoo Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:19 am

solokharimau wrote:Yes mugenfoo! you are quite right.To me it is also a state of mind and it depend on YOUR level of contentment and your earnesty in pursuing it.Certainly related to your musical taste,knowledge,willingness to try to match and tweak,time spent on the hobby ,finances etc.Hi Wabun and vic,thanks for the enthusiasm,I will pm you when I am ready to invite you over. Cheers and journey on!!! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

Hmmm... Ipoh, solok harimau, .... you don't happen to stay near "Tiger Lane" or .. whats that new name they changed it to? Don't bother .. i don't want to know the new name.

(Down with MBI for destroying Ipoh's history & heritage).
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Post by uncle_vic Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:49 pm

Hi Mugen foo,


That's a good punchline, hah, hah!!!
"My hifi nirvana, ma!"......yes something like that.


Plenty of sour grapes around liao....we may get "clobbered" in forum!
May have plenty of reasons why they don't like a system......all usually well covered from all angles....leh.....no way to put up a fight with these people.....best leave them alone.........


Self deceiving individuals.......hmmm......seen many oledi lor.......also better to leave them alone....leh.........but most of the time they may not want to leave others alone......must go 'kacau' others......lor Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

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Post by wabun Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:34 pm

but I have one fren using Isophon ( old german speaker ) with
Darling ( 0.75W ) single ended, DIY paradise DAC , Marantz CD63
and twisted pair telephone wire. this set sound much better (to me)
it mayb cost an interconnect for an hardcore audiophile

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Post by mugenfoo Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:20 pm

uncle_vic wrote:Hi Mugen foo,


That's a good punchline, hah, hah!!!
"My hifi nirvana, ma!"......yes something like that.


Plenty of sour grapes around liao....we may get "clobbered" in forum!
May have plenty of reasons why they don't like a system......all usually well covered from all angles....leh.....no way to put up a fight with these people.....best leave them alone.........


Self deceiving individuals.......hmmm......seen many oledi lor.......also better to leave them alone....leh.........but most of the time they may not want to leave others alone......must go 'kacau' others......lor Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

Uncle vic,
i dunno about you .. but this is all good fun + entertainment for me.


As for "kacau"ing and being "kacau"ed , if some people feel they are being victimised .. they are free to stay away. No one is forcing anyone to read/post/contribute/kacau in this forum right ? Wink

OK .. so what was the topic of this thread again ? ... i got distracted for a while... Why horn speakers? Icon_cool
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Post by mugenfoo Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:21 pm

oh yes ... horn speakers .... some like them horny.
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Post by alex_kff Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:57 pm

mugenfoo wrote:oh yes ... horn speakers .... some like them horny.

i had been listening to my horn klipsch speaker for many years but i don't feel horny at all. instead i felt someone here don't even have the money to buy one. that is the problem make him horny......

guys just don't bother what other said. just listen to your own ears what you like and intent to play with. pm me if anyone wish to know more about HORN speaker. you are all welcome.

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Post by mugenfoo Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:59 pm

Oooo... the "Horn" guru has spoken .... Bow down to his royal "horn-ness/Horni-ness/Horny-ness".

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Post by hangleng Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:16 am

OK I am using horn speaker tannoy d700 with its established and horny dual concentric design. Anybody want to audition are welcome. Just PM me.

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Post by wabun Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:07 am

I agree, not all horn speaker sound "horny". Vintage horn sounds very good to my ear, ie: ALtec Lansing A5.

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Post by mugenfoo Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:37 am

of course "horny" is not an expression for any kind of sound. Just a play on words. And Horny doesn't need to have any sexual connotations either.

If its a sonic description, maybe "Honky" could be one ... but then again, some people might think this would be referring to people from Hong Kong.

Anyway , i also have a set of Horn speakers that maybe 90% of the people here would have either not heard of it, or have forgotten about this brand already.


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Post by uncle_vic Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:02 am

I could sit in front of the large klipsch speakers driven by 300b parallel SET for easily more than an hours of listening. I don't own such setup. But I could walk over from my house to this fren's (a lady audiophile) for a listen, sometimes I get invited too, especially to check out some irregularity in the sound which she encountered and can't place a finger on it.


On another note, the Tannoy, West ministers are good! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

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Post by mugenfoo Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:15 pm

Always wondered what would happen if one partnered some horn speakers with say... a set of Gryphon Monoblocks. Why horn speakers? Icon_tongue

"Audio Nirvana" or "Acoustic Armour Piercing rounds" (metaphorically, GAU-8/A Avenger comes to mind) ?

Anyone here happen to be driving horns with Macho beefcake amps ?



uncle_vic wrote:
On another note, the Tannoy, West ministers are good! Why horn speakers? Icon_lol

I think u meant Tannoy Westminster ...
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Post by car o scope Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:57 am

mugenfoo wrote:
Anyway , i also have a set of Horn speakers that maybe 90% of the people here would have either not heard of it, or have forgotten about this brand already.

Apa brand tu?? Why horn speakers? Icon_question
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Post by wabun Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:03 am

come ipoh PM me..bring u listen to this.. Why horn speakers? Icon_razz
Altec Lansing A5
Why horn speakers? A5-m10

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Why horn speakers? I_icon_minipost by wabun on Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:34 pm

but I have one fren using Isophon ( old german speaker ) with
Darling ( 0.75W ) single ended, DIY paradise DAC , Marantz CD63
and twisted pair telephone wire. this set sound much better (to me)
it mayb cost an interconnect for an hardcore audiophile

I have listened to this setup b4, in fact many times. It has a pretty flat audio spectrum, at least to my ears, this could account for the fact u find it so nice sounding. But individual requirements may be different among audiophiles. I'm sure many tube heads will agree with u. I've brought frens to go listen, though they like the sound, they still revered back to their own systems for the ultimate 'shiok' factor. So it's a preference actually. can't say they are wrong in not appreciating fine good sound or not able to recognise fine good sound when they come across one.


Why don't u review this setup in your blog? May interest many tube lovers here.

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Post by tubejunkie Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:28 pm

Hi uncle Vic / Wabun, I have not heard those vintage horn yet. Tried Loth X b4 pair wth A.N OTO amp..effortless vocal, great detail. But when high peak vocals came in.. it just 'deaf my ear' for a while..is kind of like someone shouting loud nxt to your ears..damn it..it hurts !! Why horn speakers? Icon_pale But some say, to get a good result you must not be pair wth ' aggressive amp ' e.g audio note type..bright sounding one.. how true is true dude??
So, for all those low power amp I mean 2 watts to 10 watts...what spk to match ??? S.O.S

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Post by runemaster Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:04 am

One question - how well horn speaker is at high, low, mid and details?

The horn speakers I saw is actually a single driver. So kinda makes me wonder what about the performance mention above.

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