Speaker to match with SET amplifier

need suggestion for a pair of speakers that can be easily driven by a SET amp (around 10w). please provide my the contact no or place to audition them if possible. Price range rm5-10k. thank you

Lamkochai wrote:need suggestion for a pair of speakers that can be easily driven by a SET amp (around 10w). please provide my the contact no or place to audition them if possible. Price range rm5-10k. thank you

hi, what amplifier u r using ? 300B ? i think you need minimum 89 db above..perhaps you need some good horn speaker.

hard to find good horn speaker within my price range
i am using kt88

There's a few left in Amcorp Mall. Loth-X is your only choice unless you wanna go for diy. Pay a visit to Liberty in Amcorp. Forget those 89db speakers unless your main diet of listening consists of vocals only. Single ended amps that I played before : ASL MG SI-15 & Sun Audio SV2A3.

the JBL LE14C driving by 12watt Eico HF-12 - plays the Percussion -Jaws dropped

the Altec Lansing A7 driving by Philips AG9016 - plays Hawaii 5 -Jaws dropped

the Isophon driving by Darling SET 0.75 watt - Jaws dropped

the Jensen Sigma driving by 6watts Magnavox SET - Jaws dropped

so many choices lah, cannot complete list down also.. if you asking modern speaker, then try listen to AvantGarde or Zu.

if u want audition the abovementioned speaker, PM me, you can bring ur SET to try out as well in Ipoh.. cheers

wabun wrote:if u want audition the abovementioned speaker, PM me, you can bring ur SET to try out as well in Ipoh.. cheers

You selling yours ??

wabun wrote:the JBL LE14C driving by 12watt Eico HF-12 - plays the Percussion -Jaws dropped

the Altec Lansing A7 driving by Philips AG9016 - plays Hawaii 5 -Jaws dropped

the Isophon driving by Darling SET 0.75 watt - Jaws dropped

the Jensen Sigma driving by 6watts Magnavox SET - Jaws dropped

so many choices lah, cannot complete list down also.. if you asking modern speaker, then try listen to AvantGarde or Zu.

Wow!! So many "Jaws dropped" examples!

Any combination that can be classified in the "balls dropped" category as well?

Foo,

If you drop your jaw when listening to hi fi you stretch your ear drums and cavities so you get better sound la. SETs have puny wattage, so you have to stretch the only cranial joints you have to get the best out of them I guess.

Balls drop is when your set up include 3 subwoofers. Poor el scrotumus cannot be subjected to prolonged torture of excessive low frequency. Can lead to hernia I'm told.

Hi Wabun,

I was the one who visited you a couple of weeks ago.

Is your FR JBL completed? I would like to drop by and listen to JBL if got chance.

The Jensen is amazing. Very poisonous.

Allan was all praise over your Jumpan 2.

Zu Druid at Perfect Hifi, KL.

Might suit your budget if you nego 'hardline'.

Cheers

horn spk is hard to match, the high volume vocals can deaf you. ( not high end horn i mentioned )

Wabun, what about modern high sensitivity spk ? ( not horn la ) u know any easy to drive ' king of all mother vocals ' spk ?

Cool tube,

Cooltube wrote:Foo,

If you drop your jaw when listening to hi fi you stretch your ear drums and cavities so you get better sound la. SETs have puny wattage, so you have to stretch the only cranial joints you have to get the best out of them I guess.

Balls drop is when your set up include 3 subwoofers. Poor el scrotumus cannot be subjected to prolonged torture of excessive low frequency. Can lead to hernia I'm told.

What on earth is 'el scrotomus'?

Wow!! So many "Jaws dropped" examples!

Any combination that can be classified in the "balls dropped" category as well?

aiya Mugen foo, just wording lah, mayb my knowledge shallow so easy satisfy with the sound leh..they might sound like minicombo to you..

You selling yours ??

sorry dude, I am not a speaker seller, I am selling my Jumpan preamp..haha

Hi Wabun,

I was the one who visited you a couple of weeks ago.

Is your FR JBL completed? I would like to drop by and listen to JBL if got chance.

The Jensen is amazing. Very poisonous.

Allan was all praise over your Jumpan 2.

Hi Lim, if you listen to the Altec & JBL they also poisonous, my JBL enclosure will only completed by this week, the furniture guy broke his leg, so delay. I also very eager to fire my JBL-LE14C..hehe..
Honestly, Jumpan2 is a good preamp if taken money to performance ratio into consideration.

horn spk is hard to match, the high volume vocals can deaf you. ( not high end horn i mentioned )

Wabun, what about modern high sensitivity spk ? ( not horn la ) u know any easy to drive ' king of all mother vocals ' spk ?

normally vintage speaker easier to drive because it was designed so. during the old time, amplifier only has limited output,so engineer streching their head to come out with efficient design and they have less restriction to use non-green material, no need PB free, no need ROHS compliance..etc environment requirement, the cost factor also not as stringent as nowadays, thus u can found a very nicely build cast aluminium speaker chassis,very pur copper braid,rare magnet to build speaker.but nowadays,power amp with 100W and above is common, speaker doesn't need to be high efficiency anymore,so far I listen to Zu, Avantgarde, Triangle which is easy to drive with SET, dunno others woh.

wabun wrote:

horn spk is hard to match, the high volume vocals can deaf you. ( not high end horn i mentioned )

Wabun, what about modern high sensitivity spk ? ( not horn la ) u know any easy to drive ' king of all mother vocals ' spk ?

normally vintage speaker easier to drive because it was designed so. during the old time, amplifier only has limited output,so engineer streching their head to come out with efficient design and they have less restriction to use non-green material, no need PB free, no need ROHS compliance..etc environment requirement, the cost factor also not as stringent as nowadays, thus u can found a very nicely build cast aluminium speaker chassis,very pur copper braid,rare magnet to build speaker.but nowadays,power amp with 100W and above is common, speaker doesn't need to be high efficiency anymore,so far I listen to Zu, Avantgarde, Triangle which is easy to drive with SET, dunno others woh.

ok..i can understand.. solid pure material for old stuff..but what about their sound ? let say..by comparing the vintages 2 watters amp driving the high efficient vintage spk u mentioned above and a modern 100 watts amp driving modern spk ? the question is does the mordern technology only allow us to play louder ? or it improve in sound quality ? coz i nver heard a vintage spk b4..

to my ear , vintage spk sound more emphasis on tonality
modern spk has more advantage on resolution. both also has own features depends on what u like to hear only. personally i like
vintage sound..very natural n comfortable. but if u are those who seek for listening into the throat of the singer then go to modern stuff loh..

wabun wrote:but if u are those who seek for listening into the throat of the singer then go to modern stuff loh..

All modern stuffs also same? Are you sure? hahahahaha..
Actually, it depends on lots of factors and how you judge the music reproduction.
Cannot even say that modern stuffs are all like that.

Zu Druid mk4, crossoverless full range driver with super tweeter. If you familiar with instruments characteristic (on hands experienced), you'll hear the "extra" which hard to describe....IMHO

Even phillips 2wpc amp will be able to drive them...

cheers!

thanks for all your suggestion. but please give me the dealer or location to audition all those speakers.

to wabun: whats your hp no? i am going down to kl next week maybe i can you a visit on my way.

where to audition the Zu druid speaker? i am eager to try full range driver as some of my friends say speakers with crossover does not suit set amp well. Anyone here tried diy Lowther driver before?

Dear Lamkochai,

I bought my druids for PerfectHifi in KL. Can't remember the phone number now but they have a website, so, it is easy to look them up.

Cheers

to wabun: whats your hp no? i am going down to kl next week maybe i can you a visit on my way.

call me at 016 5581515...nyam char also can if not listen hifi. haha

tekton fullrange, havent tried on SET
but it works fine with 6bl8 pre + ss power amp

sama macam Coral Flat X look oh.. nice.. how about sound ? got bass ?

thats the thing, everytime i turn to this sets of fullrange rather than my conventional speaker set it sings differently
thinking of buying another set of its driver in case the voice coil got burned in the future
the driver is not that expensive, the material & engineering for those speaker box that pretty much cost most of its price tag

its made in usa, highly recommended by many

these guys are very sincere in developing fr boxes

http://www.tektondesign.com/index.htm

Hi Lamkochai,

It all depend how loud u want to play and yr listening room, I am using my SET to drive QUAD 12L, so far very happy with it.

wabun wrote:

horn spk is hard to match, the high volume vocals can deaf you. ( not high end horn i mentioned )

Wabun, what about modern high sensitivity spk ? ( not horn la ) u know any easy to drive ' king of all mother vocals ' spk ?

normally vintage speaker easier to drive because it was designed so. during the old time, amplifier only has limited output,so engineer streching their head to come out with efficient design and they have less restriction to use non-green material, no need PB free, no need ROHS compliance..etc environment requirement, the cost factor also not as stringent as nowadays, thus u can found a very nicely build cast aluminium speaker chassis,very pur copper braid,rare magnet to build speaker.but nowadays,power amp with 100W and above is common, speaker doesn't need to be high efficiency anymore,so far I listen to Zu, Avantgarde, Triangle which is easy to drive with SET, dunno others woh.

Your argument makes sense. See you on the 1st Jan. Another hifi craz friend may tag along.

wabun wrote:to my ear , vintage spk sound more emphasis on tonality
modern spk has more advantage on resolution. both also has own features depends on what u like to hear only. personally i like
vintage sound..very natural n comfortable. but if u are those who seek for listening into the throat of the singer then go to modern stuff loh..

vintage stuff is more "coloured" (to borrow a phrase from mr. Tropical audio Sam). Vintage stuff also will lose out alot on detail & resolution compared to modern stuff.

Some people seem to prefer listening to this kind of "coloured" sound and also prefer not to have so much "detail" in their listening. So this becomes a matter of personal preference.

If anyone claims that vintage hifi sounds "better" than modern hifi , its a matter of personal taste only.

But if anyone claims vintage hifi is "technically superior" or "more
accurate" to modern hifi, they would be poorly mistaken and are only
trapped in their own time-capsule mindset.

For the merits of absolute fidelity, vintage stuff is as it is: vintage. And sad to say, vintage hi-fi cannot be held to the same esteem as vintage wine.

Bottom line analogy:
Don't expect a 1968 Ferrari Dino to outperform a modern day Honda Civic Type-R in all areas such straightline acceleration, lateral skidpad, road/track handling, & the creature comforts plus crash-safety worthiness.

Now I'm more confused. Just starting my journey into Hifi world already sudah pening. CD vs LP, Valve vs Solid. now vintage or modern speakers. I suppose if vintage is better than it should be a good investment.
I will keep an open mind. Got a lot to learn.

drskumar wrote:Now I'm more confused. Just starting my journey into Hifi world already sudah pening. CD vs LP, Valve vs Solid. now vintage or modern speakers. I suppose if vintage is better than it should be a good investment.
I will keep an open mind. Got a lot to learn.

Hifi isn't an investment, not in the monetary sense at least. It is an "indulgence".

But some people tend to get it mixed up. Hope you won't.

prefer not to have so much "detail" in their listening. So this becomes a matter of personal preference.

Mugenfoo I challenge u come listen my 1962 spk, and compare it with the modern spk, or welcome anyone who dropby listen to the vintage and put after listen commen in this tread.

wabun wrote:

prefer not to have so much "detail" in their listening. So this becomes a matter of personal preference.

Mugenfoo I challenge u come listen my 1962 spk, and compare it with the modern spk, or welcome anyone who dropby listen to the vintage and put after listen commen in this tread.

Can, but powered by my Krell pre/power amp and using my type of music. ie. Rage Against the machine, Marilyn Manson, Nirvana. etc.

No Tsai Chin lullabies.


If the speaker blow or smoke come out, you tanggung sendiri.

Yoh.. A challenge!!
Sounds like a street race..
Fast and Furious??
When can get free ticket to watch the challenge? hahahahahaha...

Anyway, what's the point of the challenge?
They are totally different things ma...

no problem, when u come ? fix a date. I play the Mange 4u. lets talk about various music genre, rock, pop, vocal, classic. not the half cook bass that claim to be "bass" or the chicken chip that claim to be vocal. come on babe !

wabun wrote:no problem, when u come ? fix a date. I play the Mange 4u. lets talk about various music genre, rock, pop, vocal, classic. not the half cook bass that claim to be "bass" or the chicken chip that claim to be vocal. come on babe !

You're the one who thinks so highly of your "vintage" speaker, you bring over with you on your next trip to KL lah. Can arrange @ Hiway Laser if you like.

If you dare to bring your "vintage" speaker over, got a whole assortment of "modern" speaker waiting for you. Maybe CMY will be kind enough to loan something like Dynaudio or Usher speaker to go head to head with your VINTAGE speaker. Or can ask the Norman guy also, maybe got a set of Thiel or Martin-Logans to go against your VINTAGE speaker.

And don't worry, got KRELL POWER waiting for you anytime.

To all Horn speakers sifu, you must come across many vintage horn speakers. I bought a klipsch cornwall 1979 recently bcos I like horn driven for mid and high. Since I can't lug this speaker around for audition due to the size, I decided to buy TRI amp TRV-A300se. After setup, the mid is very warm and not much of sound from the tweeter. Bass guitar/cello very low. Overall the resolution are not there. Any idea what should I do.
Read some forum on klipsch community, they recommend improved
wooden trachorn for mid with same drive and also crossover from ALK engineering.

Ultimately vintage speakers are called vintage for a damn good reason. Because they have a certain peculiar sound that you might really love.

But as for the merits of accuracy and true fidelity of reproduced sound as judged against the original sound, lets not kid ourselves here.
Hi-fi being such a manufactured product, is also technology driven.

Does anyone here still wanna hang on to antiquated sentiments that an Intel 80286 machine (for whatever screwed up reason) could be superior to today's Intel Quad Core CPUs ? Anyone here still running MS-DOS 3.3 as their main system ??

If only for nostalgic reasons, I'd rather run the occasional DOSBox , or Virtual ][ on a present day MacOS X Snow Leopard.

7810sam wrote:To all Horn speakers sifu, you must come across many vintage horn speakers. I bought a klipsch cornwall 1979 recently bcos I like horn driven for mid and high. Since I can't lug this speaker around for audition due to the size, I decided to buy TRI amp TRV-A300se. After setup, the mid is very warm and not much of sound from the tweeter. Bass guitar/cello very low. Overall the resolution are not there. Any idea what should I do.
Read some forum on klipsch community, they recommend improved
wooden trachorn for mid with same drive and also crossover from ALK engineering.

Lets try and understand your question further...

So you were expecting the Klipsch to have good resolution driven from a 8Watter TRV-800se amp ?

You're the one who thinks so highly of your "vintage" speaker, you bring over with you on your next trip to KL lah. Can arrange @ Hiway Laser if you like.

can't fit even with an Innova. each spk weight more than 50 KG each..

But as for the merits of accuracy and true fidelity of reproduced sound as judged against the original sound, lets not kid ourselves here.

Katak di bawah tempurung. only see world thru key hole.

If u got bola, come and challenge one nice set of Wilson or Magico lah.

Test and see if can be powered by your Jumpan preamp and Jamban poweramp also lah.

Small-town boy should come out from your small-town tempurung more often.

wabun wrote:

You're the one who thinks so highly of your "vintage" speaker, you bring over with you on your next trip to KL lah. Can arrange @ Hiway Laser if you like.

can't fit even with an Innova. each spk weight more than 50 KG each..

But as for the merits of accuracy and true fidelity of reproduced sound as judged against the original sound, lets not kid ourselves here.

Katak di bawah tempurung. only see world thru key hole.

aiyo, tot u said Krell one ? change oredi ? why not say a full Goldmund set ah ? Better hihi..Mugenfoo, stay cool man.

only a genius will compare a Posche vs a Kancil. I suggest Mugenfoo to get know more kaki n have a listen to Klipsch horn with 2A3 or 300B, not enugh resolution? big joke

Since u talk so big of whatever X-brand Horn, come and "show your stuff lah" , powered by your Jumpan/Jamban amp as well.


U can be the super-salesman of any vintage Horn system with jamban amplification.

wabun wrote:aiyo, tot u said Krell one ? change oredi ? why not say a full Goldmund set ah ? Better hihi..Mugenfoo, stay cool man.

I always cool one ... especially when it comes to small town redneck hicks like you. This is always super fun fun fun.

wabun wrote:only a genius will compare a Posche vs a Kancil. I
suggest Mugenfoo to get know more kaki n have a listen to Klipsch horn
with 2A3 or 300B, not enugh resolution? big joke

And typical small town hicks would not be able to spell that famous German car brand properly. Suggest for small town boys to get a feel of a real Porsche so they won't think so big of their little Kancils.

Well, I have the benefit of having two sets, one fronted by vintage Dynacos driven by a SET and the other more contemporary in set up. I must admit that while the vintage set does play mellower and fuller, it lacks the resolution, clarity and detail of the newer set. Its like the band is playing with a thick veil over them. Though I have often times found myself trying numerous ways and means to bring the vintage set up to "par" with the newer set, I guess at the end of the day its a matter of apples and oranges. I personally wouldnt dismiss a vintage set as much as I might want to approve of a contemporary one..... its simply that one set does some things better than the other, and vice versa...or maybe I havent had the oppurtunity to hear a high resolution vintage setup that kicks serious audio butt...

jcwlow wrote:or maybe I havent had the oppurtunity to hear a high resolution vintage setup that kicks serious audio butt...

I am pretty sure someone here will invite you to Ipoh very soon.

car o scope wrote:

jcwlow wrote:or maybe I havent had the oppurtunity to hear a high resolution vintage setup that kicks serious audio butt...

I am pretty sure someone here will invite you to Ipoh very soon.

but why not let vintage retain its coloured and unresolved charm while letting the "new" do the butt-kicking duties? Surely co-existence is vital to audiophile "choice".